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		<title>By: Financing not Fundraising: How to Rebut Crazy Donor Demands &#171; Nonprofit Newswire from Imagine Canada</title>
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		<dc:creator>Financing not Fundraising: How to Rebut Crazy Donor Demands &#171; Nonprofit Newswire from Imagine Canada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 18:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] flip side of the issue–how to respond to some of the crazy things donors demand. (read more from Social Velocity) Like this:LikeBe the first to like this post.      Search old news [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Nonprofit Self-Esteem Issues &#124; Notes on Nonprofits</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nonprofit Self-Esteem Issues &#124; Notes on Nonprofits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 18:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] In the following article at Social Innovation, there&#8217;s a nice give-and-take about how to respond to your donors when they push back and make unreasonable demands.  Financing not Fundraising: How to Rebut Crazy Donor Demands &#124; Social Velocity. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] In the following article at Social Innovation, there&#8217;s a nice give-and-take about how to respond to your donors when they push back and make unreasonable demands.  Financing not Fundraising: How to Rebut Crazy Donor Demands | Social Velocity. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Maile</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 03:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for these &quot;scripts,&quot; Nell. I feel such a mix of emotions when funders say these things that I&#039;m often at a loss for words (at least compelling ones). I&#039;m going to stencil your suggestions on my palm so I can surreptitiously jog my memory the next time I need them!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for these &#8220;scripts,&#8221; Nell. I feel such a mix of emotions when funders say these things that I&#8217;m often at a loss for words (at least compelling ones). I&#8217;m going to stencil your suggestions on my palm so I can surreptitiously jog my memory the next time I need them!</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 15:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Absolutely right and some very valuable rebuttals here.  

The hours and hours I&#039;ve spent filling in long, complex and detailed evaluation forms from funders, repeating what we&#039;ve already reported elsewhere but in the format and tailored detail each specific funder requires. Where we had more than one funder for a particular project, these took almost as long as managing the project itself! That&#039;s not value for money.  

I&#039;ve found that the very worst of these are the corporate funders and their desire for lots of PR around the project they&#039;re funding. They have huge PR departments themselves but often don&#039;t involve (and won&#039;t allow) these staff in the project through advice, contacts, training etc. The corporate funder still wants a huge PR impact, forgetting that the charity only has one person and a bunch of hard-working but pr-inexperienced volunteers to do that promotional work. They just don&#039;t seem to get it.

I would LOVE to see my fundraising colleagues build more realistic expectations into their funding negotiations and not simply say yes to every demand made by the funder.  At the end of the day, charities are set up to serve their cause, not to serve the whims of funders.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely right and some very valuable rebuttals here.  </p>
<p>The hours and hours I&#8217;ve spent filling in long, complex and detailed evaluation forms from funders, repeating what we&#8217;ve already reported elsewhere but in the format and tailored detail each specific funder requires. Where we had more than one funder for a particular project, these took almost as long as managing the project itself! That&#8217;s not value for money.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve found that the very worst of these are the corporate funders and their desire for lots of PR around the project they&#8217;re funding. They have huge PR departments themselves but often don&#8217;t involve (and won&#8217;t allow) these staff in the project through advice, contacts, training etc. The corporate funder still wants a huge PR impact, forgetting that the charity only has one person and a bunch of hard-working but pr-inexperienced volunteers to do that promotional work. They just don&#8217;t seem to get it.</p>
<p>I would LOVE to see my fundraising colleagues build more realistic expectations into their funding negotiations and not simply say yes to every demand made by the funder.  At the end of the day, charities are set up to serve their cause, not to serve the whims of funders.</p>
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		<title>By: Tina Crouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tina Crouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 03:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Nell:
Thanks for trying to give us some tips for a response and re-direct to the donors. I think the real problem rests with the &#039;muck media&#039; - purveyors of the un-truths about non-profits shovelled to the general public. Why else would a donor think to say &quot;Don’t spend any of my money on fundraising or infrastructure&quot; ? Previously, it was only about &#039;Can it only go to my favourite program?&#039;

I believe we should issue a challenge ourselves - 

&#039;Find us a business that spends NO money on operations.&#039;

We should demand it; command them to it. &quot;Name the business that makes profit but spends zero dollars.&quot;  

Then we might have a fair comparison.

It can&#039;t be done but somehow in the non-profit sector, it&#039;s DEMANDED.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Nell:<br />
Thanks for trying to give us some tips for a response and re-direct to the donors. I think the real problem rests with the &#8216;muck media&#8217; &#8211; purveyors of the un-truths about non-profits shovelled to the general public. Why else would a donor think to say &#8220;Don’t spend any of my money on fundraising or infrastructure&#8221; ? Previously, it was only about &#8216;Can it only go to my favourite program?&#8217;</p>
<p>I believe we should issue a challenge ourselves &#8211; </p>
<p>&#8216;Find us a business that spends NO money on operations.&#8217;</p>
<p>We should demand it; command them to it. &#8220;Name the business that makes profit but spends zero dollars.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Then we might have a fair comparison.</p>
<p>It can&#8217;t be done but somehow in the non-profit sector, it&#8217;s DEMANDED.</p>
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		<title>By: Financing not Fundraising: How to Rebut Crazy Donor Demands &#171; Peel Leadership Centre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Financing not Fundraising: How to Rebut Crazy Donor Demands &#171; Peel Leadership Centre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 17:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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